Discussion with Don Caron and John Piper. Q&A Response 1.Starting at 19:58
Below is an attempted transcript of a section of the above Q& A. Some very important statements made about worship. I am personally very encouraged by what was shared and pray that God may use me for His Gospel’s sake in my ministry work in the local church that I’m serving in.
Just one more? I think that the explosion of… I don’t want to say just say contemporary worship or contemporary worship forms and our church will feel that way to most people. a very rock oriented. almost everywhere in the world that…we have the same songs…. Whether or not, the ethos, generally associated with that, on a Sunday morning, can sustain the gravitas of the glory of God over the long haul-whether it can hold it.
It is possible I mean, there are contemporary worship songs that draw our my heart into the bigness of God in a most marvelous way. But there is a kind of low brow, hip, cool, ya’ll come, family, chatty, way of doing worship today. The question is, if that becomes more and more prevalent, what becomes of the majesty of God in this book (Bible)?
It is very difficult to maintain a sense of the bigness and the majesty of God if everything about the service is calculated to be chummy and close and warm and touchy and feely and ya’ll come. So somethings got to break there. And I think, I pray what will happen is that, all the best of contemporary worship music and all the best of the weightiness of glory will move into just forms so that people your age, you look twenty somethings, will feel that sooner rather than later. And you won’t overreact against contemporary and say “We’re going go liturgical and only hymns and organ and trying to do it all old again.” But rather you’ll say “we got to find a way so that from the beginning to the end of this service, there’s a weightiness about it, a seriousness.” Cause’ that corresponds then, to what the Word will say and who He is, and what hell really signifies, and how glorious the Cross is. All those realities just don’t fit in talk shows! They don’t! If you try to do your little talk show down there, you welcome people and please make this as street like as possible, there are realities, most of them here (Bible) that just don’t fit there, they don’t! They get so dumbed down that the weight of hell, horror of judgement and the glory of the Cross, it’s just… people lost their capacity for awe.
May I add a foot note? Even though you know, a sentence?
You asking me? Yes you may. I am 63 after all.
Yea that’s right. You gotta respect your olders, what can you say?
I agree with that absolutely 100%. I think that practically in the local church one of the questions that those who are responsible for sung worship can ask themselves, is not just what is orthodox but what is best? There are lots and lots and lots of songs that are individually acceptable but learn to choose what’s best, not what passes a mere orthodoxy test. That will already change everything. And then start looking around for certain writers… Two weeks ago I was in England, I sat down again with both Stuart Townend and Keith Getty and his wife, they are friends. Keith and his wife believe or not spent part of their honeymoon in our home, I mean how stupid can you get? But nevertheless they did. And you know what these people do when some of us get together for some of these things? They sit down and ask questions like, what doctrines are we not hitting adequately in our hymns? What should the tone be? There are some people out there that are doing these… The Stuart Townends’ and Keith Gettys’ of this world are just a cut above almost all the other contemporary hymn writers. Pray for more of those. There are some people making the right moves and I’m encouraged by that.
May I encourage you (Dude who’s asking the questions) to exercise authority… over us?
Dude, who’s asking the questions:
Can we do one last question?
Don Caron looks at Piper and laughs! Hahaha!!!
Dude, who asked that question
I guess that wasn’t a good exercise of authority????
That was some important observations and edification for worship. And some really funny moments from these great theologians.